Timeline for Stack Exchange, Prosus, Naspers, apartheid, and white supremacy
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| Jun 14, 2021 at 16:12 | comment | added | Edouard | There's also the fact that South Africa's a predominantly black country, so that bringing funds into it might help compensate for the climatic problems (conducive to relatively high disease rates, and consequently short lifespans) that have been faced by its large immigrant black population. As I grew up in a segregated city in the U.S., whose segregation my own family (whose members included active socialists) abhorred, I have to let you know that people's attitudes really do change: Segregationist neighbors of my youth later voted repeatedly for President Obama! | |
| Jun 14, 2021 at 14:34 | answer | added | Roger V. | timeline score: 3 | |
| Jun 14, 2021 at 6:18 | comment | added | user400188 | I'm curious, are the people who refused to comply with South Africa’s Truth and Reconcilation Commission still working at the company after 26 years? If not, I see no reason to punish the current people working there, since most people today see these actions as a rather vile thing of the past. | |
| Jun 12, 2021 at 18:50 | comment | added | RonJohn | Instead, 127 individual employees told the commission that Naspers “had formed an integral part of the power structure which implemented and maintained apartheid”. Were those 127 employees retaliated against by Nasper? If not, why isn't that Good Enough? | |
| Jun 9, 2021 at 0:04 | comment | added | G. Smith | @Rishi Thanks. You’re probably right, especially since most of Naspers’ investments are losing money, according to a report I read. But my conscience does not allow me to continue to contribute, and there are plenty of people here who know more physics than I do. | |
| Jun 8, 2021 at 23:06 | vote | accept | G. Smith | ||
| Jun 8, 2021 at 18:35 | comment | added | Rishi | Here's my take: the amount of good you do for people trying to learn physics far outweighs the amount of revenue you are generating for Naspers. | |
| Jun 8, 2021 at 14:53 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | @SG8 1. Note that the linked post on MSE was significantly more hostile in its original form (which you can see in the revision history). 2. Votes on meta posts can indicate agreement / disagreement with the post, as well as their usual meanings. On site metas (like this one), votes don't affect rep. However, on MSE, they do affect rep, and using votes to express agreement / disagreement there has often been a cause for concern. | |
| Jun 8, 2021 at 0:49 | comment | added | Ray Butterworth | @SG8, I don't vote often on meta, but when I do I generally vote the Question based on how much I care about what is asked (e.g. if it should receive an excellent definitive answer, how much will it affect me); and vote the individual Answers based on whether I agree with them. It's almost entirely subjective. ¶ This is the opposite of how I vote on non-meta sites: is the Question well asked (even if I don't care what the answer is) and is the Answer well written and applicable to the Question (even if I disagree with its conclusion). It's almost entirely objective. | |
| Jun 7, 2021 at 18:56 | comment | added | SG8 | @BioPhysicist - Thanks for your explanation. To me, it's difficult to express my feelings/judgments by up/down voting in meta. | |
| Jun 7, 2021 at 18:50 | comment | added | BioPhysicist | @SG8 In general I don't think there is a single reason. My guess in this context is that the downvoting reasons could range from thinking this isn't an issue to being actively annoyed that someone would even bring this topic up. For this post on PSE, someone could be downvoting because they don't want this particular user to leave the site. Or a downvote has been cast because this post isn't really asking a question that is specific to PSE. (Note that I am not saying I agree with any of these views; just speculating here). | |
| Jun 7, 2021 at 18:44 | comment | added | SG8 | I wonder if someone could explain what is the meaning of up/down votes in meta? I've upvoted this post since I feel the same concern (I was unaware of this until I saw this post). Here this post has received positive attention (I mean upvotes and some nice feedbacks) but there, on the mother meta, a similar question has received a number of downvotes! However, the style of witting of these posts are different but both of them have the same concern. | |
| Jun 7, 2021 at 17:05 | comment | added | G. Smith | Someone has posted a similar question on the mother meta. | |
| Jun 7, 2021 at 15:27 | comment | added | alephzero | @rob So long as the top management team makes a killing from stock options, who gives a toss about "the community"? Don't forget that some of the people who got rid of Monica are still part of the management SE hierarchy. And "apologies" are usually worth no more that the hot air that came out of the mouth of the apologizer. | |
| Jun 7, 2021 at 8:23 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek | I don't want to defend SE if they actually did censor you but - blog comments are notoriously slow to get approved iirc | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 19:39 | answer | added | ZeroTheHero | timeline score: 10 | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 19:07 | comment | added | G. Smith | @RayButterworth I don’t contribute my labor to any of those companies. | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 15:00 | history | tweeted | twitter.com/StackPhysics/status/1401554476713009160 | ||
| Jun 6, 2021 at 14:22 | answer | added | tpg2114Mod | timeline score: 33 | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 13:40 | comment | added | StephenG - Help Ukraine | I voted your question up not because I am agreeing with your choice (I have no wish to see you leave the site) but because it is useful to express these things and debate them constructively. | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 13:27 | comment | added | BioPhysicist | @rob Sorry, I wasn't saying there is no relevance to PSE. | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 13:21 | comment | added | rob Mod | @BioPhysicist The specific relevance to Physics is that, if this high-rep, high-activity user decides they can no longer participate on Stack Exchange for ethical reasons, it’s our community that loses the most as a consequence of their decision. | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 13:00 | comment | added | BioPhysicist | Do you have a question here about this and how it relates to PSE specifically? I wonder if this would be better on the main meta site. | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 12:56 | comment | added | Ray Butterworth | Do you have similar attitudes for German companies, like Hugo Boss, Puma, Volkswagen, Porsche, and Audi, that closely worked with the Nazi party? Or with American companies, such as Ford, whose car dealers were required to distribute antisemitic publications to their customers? | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 7:38 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | (cont) In 1997, the Truth and Reconciliation Commission requested that Naspers make a submission about the years between 1960 and 1994, specifically, the media's role during this period. Naspers refused to comply, which led to 127 Naspers employees each making an individual submission to the TRC, apologising for their role in the apartheid years. They said Naspers newspapers had formed an integral part of the power structure which implemented and maintained apartheid through, for instance, supporting the NP in elections and referendums. | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 7:37 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | From en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naspers#History A group of prominent Cape Afrikaners decided [...] to form a publishing company that would support Afrikaner nationalism, in the wake of the Boer Wars. It therefore also supported the Nationalist Party (NP). [...] Naspers funded the National Party (NP) during apartheid, and that the NP also held 74,000 shares in Naspers in 1984. | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 7:25 | history | became hot meta post | |||
| Jun 6, 2021 at 7:09 | answer | added | StephenG - Help Ukraine | timeline score: 14 | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 6:21 | comment | added | G. Smith | If Naspers had cooperated with the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, I would have no problem with the acquisition. I consider their refusal to do so to be the most racist thing they did. | |
| Jun 6, 2021 at 6:18 | history | edited | G. Smith | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 6, 2021 at 6:07 | history | edited | G. Smith | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jun 6, 2021 at 6:01 | history | asked | G. Smith | CC BY-SA 4.0 |