Timeline for Should any check-my-work questions be made on topic?
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| Sep 1 at 21:56 | comment | added | ZeroTheHero | well… we’ll have to agree to disagree on this one, but I really do disagree not only with your answer but also with your observations. It is (in the end) a decision of the community to avoid direct help in the way you ask, so the path forward (with your closed question) is to just edit it into shape, something you can do and for which the community will be glad to help. | |
| Sep 1 at 20:47 | comment | added | AspiringPhysicist | @ZeroTheHero No, I'm not missing it. I've used this cite a great deal, and I've NEVER seen someone ask "hey, can someone do this for me." I've seen "hey, I'm trying to do this problem and have this this and this." You're not being honest. Any question you come across that has anything to with show me, check me, etc. is a "do my work for me" in your opinion. You've said as much here. | |
| Sep 1 at 12:13 | comment | added | ZeroTheHero | you keep on missing the point. I have no issues with worked out problems people study on their own. I have issues with plagiarism, where people asks others to do the work for them. I have posted questions here, but none where I ask others to do the work for me. | |
| Sep 1 at 0:24 | comment | added | Vincent Thacker | @AspiringPhysicist Also, in light of your recent comments on your question, it seems that it can be easily edited into a form that it is on topic. | |
| Sep 1 at 0:09 | comment | added | Vincent Thacker | @AspiringPhysicist "crusade to exterminate any form of..." You still don't seem to get the message so I will try one last time. Nowhere is it said asking such questions is a crime. Nowhere is it said that asking such questions makes you a bad person. Nowhere is it said that we actively shut down other sites that do answer such questions. We just don't do it on this site. It seems to me at this point that you're just trolling. Please stop. | |
| Aug 31 at 21:23 | comment | added | ZeroTheHero | actually I mind it. I use the site extensively to increase my conceptual grasp of various issues. As a professional I don’t want my student to get others to do their assignments, and the site is of no use if it is full “please help me chase my mistake”-questions. | |
| Aug 31 at 17:52 | comment | added | Vincent Thacker | @AspiringPhysicist "those that don't want to help people understand that meat of science, which includes questions like the examples, should just walk away" You clearly don't understand the reasons for this policy, which is understandable because you have not participated in the moderation processes that keep (and have kept) this site useful. In order for your opinion to carry weight rather than an being just an emotionally-charged rant (as it is right now), I strongly urge you to read and understand the dozens of discussions here on meta regarding this policy. The search box is at the top. | |
| Aug 31 at 17:48 | comment | added | AspiringPhysicist | As I read this entire thread, the common theme of "we're not TAs, here," and "go ask your prof," and "move along and find another resource 'cause this ain't it," etc. is evidence that those upvoting and replying "here here" are the gatekeepers I'm speaking of. If "you can't be bothered by this question," then why the heck did you click it, read it, roll your eyes, and close it? In my experience, if I can't be bothered by something, I don't pay mind to it. To actively assume motives for asking it and then sit back and smile for doing God's work by closing it? Sounds like "bothered" to me. | |
| Aug 31 at 17:33 | comment | added | AspiringPhysicist | @ZeroTheHero Since you think that any "how do you derive this" or "what should I do to solve this" etc. question is one that a collective of physicists shouldn't be bothered with, maybe you can take a break from speaking for the everyone and just stay silent on those questions? Maybe, and this is the crux of my argument, those that don't want to help people understand that meat of science, which includes questions like the examples, should just walk away. You and your kind can just leave the traveler. Let the real academics (in every sense of the word), the good Samaritans, help the needy. | |
| Aug 31 at 17:33 | comment | added | AspiringPhysicist | @ZeroTheHero No Schaum's is NOT fundamentally different. My opposition to this policy that a handful have voted here on this thread is that without assuming one's motives for asking the question, any question and answer could help another learn. It's called "academia." And there you go, "I can't be held responsible...." blah blah blah. You're assuming motives, and then you prescribe that anyone with a "help me understand this" question should just go to their prof. So, my comment was in response to that myopic point of view. | |
| Aug 31 at 17:23 | comment | added | AspiringPhysicist | @VincentThacker Lest your forget, this thread is one that meant to establish "site policy." So, I'm commenting is opposition to the resolution. I have every right to do so, as you did affirming it. "Why is it so difficult for you to understand this?" | |
| Aug 31 at 11:29 | comment | added | Vincent Thacker | That's all there is to it. There is no "divining" of "motives" going on. It's simply a site policy that we don't take homework questions and questions along the lines of "compute/check this for me". Nothing is stopping you from seeking help from other sites that do offer such help. Why is it so difficult for you to understand this? Your attitude is rather poor and entitled, I must say. | |
| Aug 31 at 11:05 | comment | added | Vincent Thacker | @AspiringPhysicist Your question was closed as off-topic by the community because it simply asks "am I correct" without any conceptual content (in addition to it being unclear). | |
| Aug 31 at 6:05 | comment | added | ZeroTheHero | hold on a minute here: Schaum’s is fundamentally different because you do the work of understanding their solution. I can’t be held responsible if professors don’t do their jobs. If this is the case then complain to the department chair or dean; I doubt they will support getting assignment help (aka plagiarism) from third parties. | |
| Aug 31 at 0:44 | comment | added | AspiringPhysicist | That is certainly the proverbial last straw. It is ABSOLUTELY gatekeeping. Nearly 20% of the questions I run across here have been closed because of similar reasons. You all are divining the motives of the question authors! If there is a single scientist that made their journey without the explicit help of another, I'd concede. Whether the question is "can someone show me how..." or "what is the answer to..." it doesn't matter. We've all had similar questions. | |
| Aug 31 at 0:44 | comment | added | AspiringPhysicist | @VincentThacker Since you copied one of your past comments about it, I'll do the same. | |
| Aug 31 at 0:43 | comment | added | AspiringPhysicist | Since you're so strongly opposed to detailed help, maybe you can fight a crusade against Schaums? Or any of the thousands of other sources that give homework solutions, etc. like actual professors' course websites! All I wanted was a "nope, can't do that and here's why" or "looks good to me." Stop inventing motives. Just ask the author if you're worried. | |
| Aug 31 at 0:43 | comment | added | AspiringPhysicist | @ZeroTheHero I've had professors that put their own research above their students. So don't act like "go ask your prof for help" is always a viable option. And no, I'm not asking for someone to do the help. See, this is the gatekeeping I'm talking about. You're divining someone's motives. Here's an idea. How about you just ignore a question (or even leave a snarky comment) if it offends you in some way? Rather than gatekeeping and saying "I'm the arbiter, and I say this person just wants someone to do the work! CLOSED!" | |
| Aug 30 at 8:34 | comment | added | ZeroTheHero | Yeah... your question is precisely of the type that is very poorly received on this site. It seems you expect others to do the work for you. Moreover, the way you phrase the question is so that it's value is limited to you rather than useful to the community. The question could probably be edited into an acceptable form. | |
| Aug 30 at 6:13 | comment | added | Vincent Thacker | You are posting this likely because you are dissatisfied with the closure of your recent question. There is no need to take things personally. There is no "gatekeeping" going on. We simply don't take certain types of questions. Nothing is preventing you from asking it elsewhere where it would be on topic. If you wish to challenge the closure of your question, ask a new question here on meta. | |
| Aug 29 at 20:14 | comment | added | ZeroTheHero | I completely disagree. If you want this kind of help, get it from somewhere else, including your instructor. What is absurd is that students should ask questions about their assignment and their step-by-step answer online rather than come to my office. There is enough plagiarism already, the least we can do is not overly encourage it. | |
| Aug 29 at 19:18 | history | answered | AspiringPhysicist | CC BY-SA 4.0 |