Timeline for A suggestion box for downvotes (and upvotes, if necessary)? [duplicate]
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| Apr 18, 2020 at 17:13 | comment | added | Elendil | @EmilioPisanty I now understand that the feature would make the site no better. So, yeah, it's best left untouched. | |
| Apr 18, 2020 at 15:43 | comment | added | Emilio Pisanty | @Krishna Basically every variation on the theme "make people comment when they downvote" has already been discussed both here as well as on Meta Stack Exchange. | |
| Apr 18, 2020 at 13:53 | history | closed |
BuzzMod Jon Custer Emilio Pisanty CommunityBot |
Duplicate of Should downvoters have to comment on why they did it? | |
| Apr 18, 2020 at 13:52 | comment | added | Elendil | @EmilioPisanty, with more familiarity, I've realized that most of the times, downvotes have obvious reasons. But, I never wanted a 'comment when you downvote' feature, because it will make the voting tiresome. I preferred an optional suggestion box (like the one with edits) but Aaron Stevens cleared it up. Thanks. | |
| Apr 12, 2020 at 3:44 | comment | added | Elendil | @PM2Ring I am not closing this because of downvotes, and I know how meta downvotes work. I close this in all good humour, because it is more opinion based, and in retrospect I thought it was not absolutely necessary either. | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 12:16 | vote | accept | Elendil | ||
| Apr 11, 2020 at 12:01 | answer | added | BioPhysicist | timeline score: 2 | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 11:39 | comment | added | BioPhysicist | @Krishna The edit summary isn't required when making edits. Also, usually the editing is more effort than making an edit summary, so these things are not on the same level. You're talking about taking a short process and making it longer. Editing isn't a quick process, so adding a quick, optional thing to it at the end isn't as much of a deterrent. | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 7:29 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | BTW, downvotes on meta sites work a little differently: they don't necessarily mean that the post is bad, they're also used to indicate disagreement. I don't think that your question needs to be closed, OTOH it's unlikely to get much further action. | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 7:13 | comment | added | Elendil | I have decided to close this question, thanks for everyone's opinions! | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 7:11 | comment | added | Elendil | @PM2Ring That is precisely how the system should work. I appreciate that you, and many other users, leave such comments. But some don't do so. Anyway, I think it would be futile to argue, as it opposes the very motive of this question. Thanks for your opinion | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 6:59 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | "My focus is [...] on non-replyable feedback." There's no such thing as non-replyable feedback while comments exist. FWIW, my usual strategy on posts that I think need improvement is to comment before voting. Then I wait a while to see how the author responds. If the author improves their post, (or posts info that shows me that I was mistaken) I delete my comment, and possibly upvote. If the author doesn't fix their post I may downvote it, if it doesn't already have an adequate number of downvotes. | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 6:15 | comment | added | Elendil | @PM2Ring I'm suggesting anonymous feedback only because votes are anonymous. My main focus is on no-replies, as opposed to "anonymous". I feel that comments being replied causes rifts, even though the comments are constructive | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 6:10 | comment | added | Elendil | @ZeroTheHero I think that my stance has been misunderstood to a large extent. My focus is not a bit on anonymous comments (I don't think it is necessary), but rather on non-replyable feedback. A no-replies-feedback would help serious users who want to correct themselves, without creating unnecessary wastage of time shouting against those who don't want to do so. | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 6:04 | comment | added | Elendil | @AaronStevens I beg to differ. Does the edit Summary deter the use of edits? (it may, if it does, I'm sorry, I comply) | |
| Apr 11, 2020 at 4:49 | comment | added | ZeroTheHero | @Krishna probably the other way around: the more comments the greater the amount of debate fodder. If you think attributed comments lead to arguments, wait until you have unattributed ones. The system on balance works well as is, and still serves those interested in improving the contributions. | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 23:46 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | One point that often comes up in these discussions is that the primary purpose of votes is to indicate the usefulness of a post to other readers, not just the author. It's generally agreed that constructive comments can often be very helpful to the author of a downvoted post. OTOH, some authors get defensive when their post is criticized, especially if the post is also downvoted, and it's not uncommon for such comment threads to turn ugly, requiring mod intervention. I don't think anonymous comments would improve that situation. | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 23:34 | comment | added | PM 2Ring | The concept of anonymous comments has been discussed many times on MSE over the last decade, eg Allow users to leave an anonymous comment when voting & the numerous questions it links to. Some of those also discuss having a clickable list of pre-written comments (similar to flags & close voting reasons). As you can see, these ideas have some support, especially among newer members, but the majority of the community thinks it's a bad idea. | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 22:23 | comment | added | BioPhysicist | I guess your stance then is that a downvote without a comment is worse than no vote at all? I would think requiring some sort of commenting would deter use of down votes | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 20:00 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Apr 10, 2020 at 18:43 | comment | added | Elendil | That may help some users understand the problem with their content, saving the site from long heated discussions in comments. | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 18:41 | comment | added | Elendil | I did not mean a comment at all, just a rating or a phrase. I'm not demanding it, but just visualizing it- When you downvote a popup opens where you can enter why you downvoted (say, lack of clarity/conceptual knowledge) in a few words and just that. | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 18:38 | comment | added | Elendil | @JonCuster, Sir, I respect your opinion. But the problem that I see is if a person must see downvotes as an opportunity to improve, isn't it more logical to say where he/she lags? Merely downvoting (in my opinion), is like saying -there is some problem with your answer, but I won't say what | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 17:49 | comment | added | Jon Custer | I add non-anonymous comments as I see a need. That is what comments are for after all. | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 16:35 | comment | added | Elendil | No replies to the feedback, to avoid rifts and a long chain of comments explaining why it was downvoted | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 16:15 | comment | added | Elendil | No, not anonymous comments. Just a feedback system, a one time-one way, from the person who downvoted to the person who posted. Not that it is absolutely necessary. | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 15:40 | history | edited | QmechanicMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Apr 10, 2020 at 15:30 | comment | added | ACuriousMind Mod | 1. Feature requests that would require changes to the SE software should generally go to Meta Stack Exchange instead of local metas, since we can't do anything locally here to implement them. 2. Are you proposing "comments, but anonymous", or is there any other way in which this would be distinguished from comments? If not, I'd suggest to consider the reasons comments are not anonymous... | |
| Apr 10, 2020 at 15:21 | history | asked | Elendil | CC BY-SA 4.0 |